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0000531T99X171.00 SKB EagleHWpublic2019-06-27 14:18
Reporter(ALTech) SB ParkAssigned To(RD) Fu-chiang YoungDue Date2019-03-06 11:33
PriorityimmediateSeveritys1-catastrophicReproducibilityN/A
Status closedResolutionfixed 
Summary0000531: [EAGLE] Extraction test between adapter and DC jack
DescriptionHi Sean
SKB asked us to below situation
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when the adapter is pulled out Eagle board, the adapter easier extract than old settopbox.
(the old settop box has different adatper and DC jack)
SKB request what is the measured value of extraction strength?
(the SKB's criteria is minimum 1.4Kg / F. average 10 times value)
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check please and let us know the result.
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(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-03-04 21:07

developer   ~0001306

We will arrange the test at NN HWQA team. Since NN HWQA has no power adapter on hand, we need take some time to deliver the adapter. Will update you the result soon.

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-03-11 17:14

developer   ~0001440

The extraction spec. of DC jack is 3N ~ 30N (0.3059 ~ 3.059 Kgf) which is a wide range of spec.
Will need to verify the actual test data to see if the result is passed of not.
DC JACK EXTRACTION SPEC.png (193,720 bytes)   
DC JACK EXTRACTION SPEC.png (193,720 bytes)   

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-03-11 21:33

developer   ~0001447

Hi Sean

If the extraction and insertion spec of DC JACK is 3N~30N, this DC jack cannot apply to Eagle board.
How about changing to other DC jack which meet SKB's criteria.

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-03-12 14:56

developer   ~0001461

Hi SB,
The test result of DC jack is fail.(see test result as attached)
We will work with supplier to look into this issue and find alternative part in parallel.

(HW) Sean Chiang

2019-03-12 14:58

developer   ~0001462

Hi Fu-Chiang,
Please work with vendor/ME to look into this issue.

(PM) Sheila Tu

2019-03-12 15:26

developer   ~0001463

Please be noted that this requirement also impacts to material preparation and tooling schedule.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-09 21:55

developer   ~0001929

Hi Sean
You said that the Dc jack extraction test is fail (4/03). Do you have any solution?

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-04-17 19:03

developer   ~0002065

Hi SB,
For second time solution by vendor, the test results are still fail. 3 pcs are pass of 5 samples, 2 pcs are fail.
We talked with vendor about the improvement, this strucutre seems to approach limitation and cannot further improve.
Vendor suggests us to change new structures for DC Jack extraction force issue due to the currently structure is single metal spring in DC Jack.
Please refer to attached picture and second time test report.
Maybe that needs to discuss about new structure of DC jack and new plan and cost.
test report V2.png (69,050 bytes)   
test report V2.png (69,050 bytes)   
20190409.jpeg (79,832 bytes)   
20190409.jpeg (79,832 bytes)   

(PM) Sheila Tu

2019-04-18 09:05

developer   ~0002069

Last edited: 2019-04-18 09:08

Hi Mr. Yoon and SB,
We need your help to discuss with SKB whether they accept cost up based on the current situation by 4/20.
If the cost up is possible, we'll discuss with our vendor to proceed with customized tooling.

*Please be noted this issue will impact the MP schedule.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-18 09:43

developer   ~0002071

Hi Sheila, Sean.
I cannot make my dicision, because there is no test report of new structure.
  1. Is the new structure of DC jack perfectly pass?
  2. How much does the cost up exactly?

and this agenda should not be discussed with SKB. because the FXN/ALT cannot meet the SBK's spec. we should solve this problem each other

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-18 10:24

developer   ~0002072

Hi Sheila, Sean
I have additional Question
1. the original spec of DC jack is DC jack is 0.3059 ~ 3.059 Kgf ( you update 3/11)
2. what is the second time solution of DC jack spec or tolerance. is it same to original or not?

(PM) Sheila Tu

2019-04-19 16:35

developer   ~0002101

Hi SB, currently our vendor is evaluating the new solution.
I've discussed with them and it seems they need more time to simulate.
Therefore, the updated target date is 4/22 that FXN provides the quotation on this matter (Tiffanie will quote to Emma directly).

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-04-22 10:23

developer   ~0002107

Hi SB,
Update the second time improvement datasheet provided from vendor.
Thank you.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-22 10:54

developer   ~0002108

Hi Sean, Fu-chiang Young
I saw the datasheet. according to the datasheet, the unmating spec is 1.0kg/f. this product cannot apply to Eagle

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-04-22 11:29

developer   ~0002109

Hi SB,
Yes, the second time improvement DC Jack still cannot meet to 1.4kgf, while the original structure had approached to limitation.
So we require vendor to fix new structure to meet 1.4kgf.
We will update new design structure and spec later when vendor provides the corresponding reports.
Thank you.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-04-22 11:43

developer   ~0002110

Hi Sean, Fu-chiang Young
Can you update the exact schedule of new design structure and spec?

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-04-22 15:36

developer   ~0002114

Hi SB,
Currently vendor estimates L/T and schedule.
When vendor updates, we will update ASAP.
Thank you.

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-05-27 09:41

developer   ~0002599

Hi SB,
Update the latest DC Jack extraction test report.
The test looks good and pass with new design structure of DC Jack.
Thank you.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-05-27 10:05

developer   ~0002600

Hi Fu-chiang, Sean
Thank you for your report
I want to see and check the datasheet "SHD-5014SGLH6-ES-L2-TR". please update the datasheet "SHD-5014SGLH6-ES-L2-TR"

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-05-27 11:34

developer   ~0002601

Hi SB,
The new datasheet needs to wait until the reliability test finished at 5/28.
We will update ASAP.
Thank you.

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-05-30 08:07

developer   ~0002634

Hi SB,
Update the datasheet of new design DC Jack as attached file.
Thank you.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-05-30 10:50

developer   ~0002635

Hi Fu-chiang, Sean
I reviewed the datasheet. there is no specification of extraction force. there is just only performace test result.
Your test result is pass but the tolerence is much wider. Please check the vender's specification.
dcjack_unmating.gif (51,911 bytes)   
dcjack_unmating.gif (51,911 bytes)   

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-05-30 10:58

developer   ~0002636

Hi Fu-chiang, Sean
SKB request that test picture more detaily. Refer to below picture and please update your report
extraction_test_picture.gif (150,357 bytes)   
extraction_test_picture.gif (150,357 bytes)   

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-06-13 11:58

developer   ~0002701

Hi SB,
I updated the report at 30th May, and the mating and unmating force is as following picture.
Could you please point out which tolerence is too wider? I will inform the vendor to confirm the data.
Thank you.
DC Jack 0529.png (172,773 bytes)   
DC Jack 0529.png (172,773 bytes)   

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-06-14 19:10

developer   ~0002706

Hi SB,
Here is the latest DC Jack datasheet from vendor.
Thank you.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-06-18 21:14

developer   ~0002750

Hi, Fu Chiang
there is no specification of withdraw force in the latest datasheet.
your test result of extraction force is much wide. see the below picture.
If there is no maximum spec, some dc jack is very difficult to extract
unmatingforce.gif (36,613 bytes)   
unmatingforce.gif (36,613 bytes)   

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-06-21 19:35

developer   ~0002796

Hi SB,
DC Jack vendor has updated datasheet, and please find the attached file.
Thank you.

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-06-24 11:51

developer   ~0002799

Hi Fu Chiang
according to datasheet, there is no specification.
the old version datasheet, the specification is exactly added. (see below the picture)
but the final version is only added performace test result.
dcjack_spec.gif (153,025 bytes)   
dcjack_spec.gif (153,025 bytes)   

(RD) Fu-chiang Young

2019-06-26 15:52

developer   ~0002813

Hi SB,
4-2 part of the datasheet is the spec. Vendor replied the put the spec parameter at 4-2.
This spec is follow EIA standard.
Please see the attached picture.
Thank you.
final_0621.jpeg (97,252 bytes)   
final_0621.jpeg (97,252 bytes)   

(ALTech) SB Park

2019-06-26 16:25

developer   ~0002814

Hi Fu chiang
OK. I finish the datasheet agenda. thank you

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2019-03-04 10:48 (ALTech) SB Park New Issue
2019-03-04 10:48 (ALTech) SB Park Status new => assigned
2019-03-04 10:48 (ALTech) SB Park Assigned To => (HW) Sean Chiang
2019-03-04 10:48 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) SY Yoon
2019-03-04 10:49 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) Philip
2019-03-04 10:49 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) Eric Kim
2019-03-04 10:49 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) Jewoo Lee
2019-03-04 10:49 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (PM) Sheila Tu
2019-03-04 10:49 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) JW Kim
2019-03-04 21:07 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0001306
2019-03-11 16:58 (HW) Sean Chiang Issue Monitored: (RD) Fu-chiang Young
2019-03-11 16:58 (HW) Sean Chiang Issue Monitored: (HW) Jim Liang
2019-03-11 17:14 (HW) Sean Chiang File Added: DC JACK EXTRACTION SPEC.png
2019-03-11 17:14 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0001440
2019-03-11 21:33 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0001447
2019-03-12 14:56 (HW) Sean Chiang File Added: DC Jack Extraction Force .xlsx
2019-03-12 14:56 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0001461
2019-03-12 14:58 (HW) Sean Chiang Assigned To (HW) Sean Chiang => (RD) Fu-chiang Young
2019-03-12 14:58 (HW) Sean Chiang Status assigned => acknowledged
2019-03-12 14:58 (HW) Sean Chiang Note Added: 0001462
2019-03-12 15:26 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Added: 0001463
2019-04-09 21:55 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0001929
2019-04-09 21:56 (ALTech) SB Park Priority normal => immediate
2019-04-09 21:56 (ALTech) SB Park Severity s2-severe => s1-catastrophic
2019-04-17 19:03 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: test report V2.png
2019-04-17 19:03 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: 20190409.jpeg
2019-04-17 19:03 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002065
2019-04-18 09:05 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Added: 0002069
2019-04-18 09:08 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Edited: 0002069
2019-04-18 09:43 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002071
2019-04-18 10:24 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002072
2019-04-18 11:02 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) BY Lee
2019-04-19 16:35 (PM) Sheila Tu Note Added: 0002101
2019-04-22 10:23 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: SHD-5014SGLH6-ES-L2-TR SPEC20190419_ver1.pdf
2019-04-22 10:23 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002107
2019-04-22 10:54 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002108
2019-04-22 11:29 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002109
2019-04-22 11:43 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002110
2019-04-22 15:36 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002114
2019-04-29 16:41 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) Juyoung Park
2019-05-27 09:41 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: Extract Force Test Report for BFX-AT100_20190524.pdf
2019-05-27 09:41 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002599
2019-05-27 10:05 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002600
2019-05-27 11:34 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002601
2019-05-30 08:07 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: SHD-5014SGLH6-ES-L2-TR SPEC20190529第二版.pdf
2019-05-30 08:07 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002634
2019-05-30 10:46 (ALTech) SB Park Tag Attached: shson
2019-05-30 10:46 (ALTech) SB Park Issue Monitored: (ALTech) SH Son
2019-05-30 10:50 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: dcjack_unmating.gif
2019-05-30 10:50 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002635
2019-05-30 10:58 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: extraction_test_picture.gif
2019-05-30 10:58 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002636
2019-06-13 11:58 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: DC Jack 0529.png
2019-06-13 11:58 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002701
2019-06-14 19:10 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: SHD-5014SGLH6-ES-L2-TR SPEC.pdf
2019-06-14 19:10 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002706
2019-06-18 21:14 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: unmatingforce.gif
2019-06-18 21:14 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002750
2019-06-21 19:35 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: SHD-5014SGLH6-ES-L2-TR SPEC_0621.pdf
2019-06-21 19:35 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002796
2019-06-24 11:51 (ALTech) SB Park File Added: dcjack_spec.gif
2019-06-24 11:51 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002799
2019-06-26 15:52 (RD) Fu-chiang Young File Added: final_0621.jpeg
2019-06-26 15:52 (RD) Fu-chiang Young Note Added: 0002813
2019-06-26 16:25 (ALTech) SB Park Note Added: 0002814
2019-06-27 14:18 (ALTech) SB Park Status acknowledged => closed
2019-06-27 14:18 (ALTech) SB Park Resolution open => fixed